Family Group #5

Group #5: We consider kits #24668,  25066, 184656, and 429959 to be a match making up group #5 This line traces back to David Moses b. 1765 through his son David Lafayette b. 1802, then William Athen, then Zachary Pierce.  All of the matches in this group are descendants of David Moses. Many Moses researchers have mixed this line up with Joshua of Whitley County, Kentucky (Group 2).  Those same researchers have identified an Ezekiel Moses as David’s father and linked them back to origins in France.  No proof of Ezekiel being David’s father has been found yet but the DNA project has proven conclusively that there is no link through their fathers between this David Moses and Joshua Moses of Whitley County or Samuel Moses of Tennessee.  They could not have been brothers. David b. 1765 stayed in North Carolina but his son, David Lafayette’s family, left North Carolina for Tennessee in the early 1800’s.  Research points to their having traveled with Samuel Moses. This group matches the Tallent family and further testing puts it at a perfect match.  Because of the DNA link to the Tallents it does look as though the David Moses line may match the Joshua Moses line, but through David’s mother and not through his father.  Some on the David Moses line have done extensive research looking for a possible father for David b.1765 but have found nothing.   According to the North Carolina tax census there was a Tallent man living with John Moses (father of Samuel and Joshua) in 1763.  This John Moses had older daughters (Betsy and Sarah).  Some have theorized that David Moses b. 1765 is the son of a Tallent man and a female Moses, possibly one of John Moses’ daughters. This would also explain why there is a perfect 67 marker match in the YDNA test to the Tallent family and a MTDNA match to the Moses line.  The mitochondrial test is through the mother and the YDNA test is through the father. Since David Lafayette traveled with Samuel Moses this could explain why their descendants got all tangled up. The above information is from Jan Wilson  Kit #24668 is a sample from a great grandson of DAVID LAFAYETTE MOSES, b. 1814-1825 Monroe Co. TN.. DAVID L. moved from Polk Co. TN. about 1845 to Mississippi, where he married SUSAN and had a son JOHN. It appears DAVID either left his wife and child or SUSAN and JOHN died, because DAVID L. was living in Monroe Co. AR. by 1860 and married second JUDITH RAGSDALE. In 1870 the family moved on to Tarrant Co. Later they moved to Bee Co. DAVID L. died in 1886 in Karnes Co. TX. Kit #24668 line is; DAVID L.>JOSHUA HOFFMAN MOSES> JOHN FRANKLIN>VERNON MOSES.   Kit #25066 descends from the Moses family who ended up in NC by 1800, possibly earlier. David b. 1765> David b. 1803> William Athen> Zachary> William. The family mostly lived in Anson and Buncombe Counties in NC until Zachary moved to CA around 1910.  Kit #25066 descends from the Moses family who ended up in NC by 1790, when David Moses is found on the census. This line goes: David b. 1765 David b.1803 William Athen Zachary Pierce William Carpenter Moses    Neither of these lines match any of the other tested MOSES lines in NC./SC./TN./GA./KY./New England. And  it has been established that both of these lines are exact matches to the line of a TALLENT family of NC. and TN.. These lines do not match with the other Moses family in the area at that time (John Moses). Also, these two lines have not lived in the same state since the early 1800s, which suggests that the common ancestor for this line lived before 1800. Interestingly, this line does match with the Tallent family, which suggests that this line may be the result of an illegitimate birth between a Moses mother and a Tallent father. In the 1763 NC tax census, John Moses is listed together with Aaron Tallent, suggesting that the two of them shared a house. John Moses had two daughters who would have been old enough to be the mother to David Moses b. 1765. Any information about the daughters of John Moses would be gratefully received by the researchers on this line, as we would like to find our common ancestor.